1 00:00:03,619 --> 00:00:02,240 what's up saucer heads this is Ryan 2 00:00:06,050 --> 00:00:03,629 Sprague from the summer in the skies 3 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:06,060 podcast and I have an exclusive offer 4 00:00:11,629 --> 00:00:08,880 for you to come join me at alien con los 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:11,639 angeles a lien con brings together UFO 6 00:00:16,820 --> 00:00:14,130 researchers the stars of ancient aliens 7 00:00:18,529 --> 00:00:16,830 and science fiction fan favorites but 8 00:00:21,290 --> 00:00:18,539 most importantly it brings us all 9 00:00:23,630 --> 00:00:21,300 together as like-minded people to talk 10 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:23,640 about these topics i'll be giving 11 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:25,529 lectures and taking part in numerous 12 00:00:30,169 --> 00:00:27,510 panel discussions with some of the most 13 00:00:32,569 --> 00:00:30,179 popular UFO and unexplained podcasts out 14 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:32,579 there today and don't forget to check 15 00:00:38,030 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00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:25,210 somewhere in the skies the brains 30 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:50,520 welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:53,350 your host Ryan Sprague this week we 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:56,290 continue our remembrance of San Freedman 33 00:02:01,590 --> 00:01:58,810 with television and film writer Brice 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:01,600 Sabol he returns to the show to talk 35 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:03,610 about his memories of Stanton Freidman 36 00:02:08,219 --> 00:02:05,740 having worked very closely with him on 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:08,229 two movie scripts one directly 38 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:09,970 concerning the life and career of 39 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:13,630 Friedman himself we get a different side 40 00:02:17,250 --> 00:02:16,239 of Stanton in this interview hearing 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:17,260 about his personal life 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:20,050 outside of the UFO field it's a 43 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:22,450 conversation that adds to what will be 44 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:25,030 the rich legacy of a physicist turned 45 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:29,470 ufologist Stanton T Friedman then Bryce 46 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:31,840 and I chat all about his own personal 47 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:35,350 contributions to Hollywood and UFOs some 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:38,010 strange tales of possible men and black 49 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:40,450 attempting to influence his television 50 00:02:44,910 --> 00:02:43,450 series dark skies and then we chat all 51 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:44,920 about his thoughts on the current 52 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:47,049 happenings but to the stars Academy and 53 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:50,320 if we're truly on the horizon of UFO 54 00:02:58,830 --> 00:02:53,470 disclosure here's our conversation with 55 00:03:00,810 --> 00:02:58,840 Bryce Sabol Bryce thank you so much for 56 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:00,820 joining me once again on somewhere in 57 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:03,340 the skies hey it's a pleasure to be with 58 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:05,650 you and and we should note for the 59 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:07,510 listening audience that we're doing this 60 00:03:11,699 --> 00:03:09,790 in the morning and I was just thinking 61 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:11,709 which is which is very interesting 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:13,900 because a lot of times interviews about 63 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:15,850 UFOs are always at night so I'm pre 64 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:17,230 conditioned to think this is something 65 00:03:21,449 --> 00:03:19,630 you do after dark I'm really happy to be 66 00:03:23,699 --> 00:03:21,459 talking to you in the bright morning 67 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:23,709 absolutely what better way to wake up 68 00:03:29,069 --> 00:03:25,870 with a cup of coffee and talk all about 69 00:03:32,009 --> 00:03:29,079 flying saucers and also it's kind of 70 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,019 symbolic of the mainstreaming of ufology 71 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:34,959 which is taking place now and and 72 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:36,489 something that needs to happen we need 73 00:03:40,380 --> 00:03:38,650 to take it out of the dark and put it 74 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:40,390 into the light so there we are we're 75 00:03:45,539 --> 00:03:42,790 very trend-setting right now I love that 76 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:45,549 man I love that analogy and you know 77 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:47,560 what we're gonna get to UFOs in the 78 00:03:51,580 --> 00:03:50,350 mainstream but first the real sort of 79 00:03:54,699 --> 00:03:51,590 reason I wanted to 80 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:54,709 today is unfortunately we lost one of 81 00:03:59,140 --> 00:03:56,930 the most influential UFO researchers to 82 00:04:00,790 --> 00:03:59,150 ever be a part of our field that is Stan 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Friedman and I don't know about you but 84 00:04:05,229 --> 00:04:03,050 this news it sort of came to a shock to 85 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:05,239 me when I when I first heard it I didn't 86 00:04:09,729 --> 00:04:07,310 believe it until it was unfortunately 87 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:09,739 confirmed but before we get to you know 88 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:12,050 your direct ties to him concerning your 89 00:04:16,180 --> 00:04:14,030 projects with him and everything could 90 00:04:19,420 --> 00:04:16,190 you maybe give us a little snapshot of 91 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:19,430 who Stan Friedman was to you and what he 92 00:04:24,550 --> 00:04:21,709 meant to you well I think Stanton 93 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:24,560 Friedman means to to all of us and the 94 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:27,110 know and who have studied this issue a 95 00:04:33,790 --> 00:04:30,680 Titan of of the history of the research 96 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:33,800 into the Flying Saucer phenomenon and I 97 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:35,930 should point out Stanton Friedman like 98 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:38,960 to call them flying saucers not UFOs he 99 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:41,810 felt that the things he was interested 100 00:04:45,129 --> 00:04:43,370 in studying were the ones that were 101 00:04:47,020 --> 00:04:45,139 flying saucers not not though 102 00:04:51,310 --> 00:04:47,030 unidentified ones that could be planes 103 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:51,320 or planets or whatever stanton is a huge 104 00:04:56,290 --> 00:04:54,500 loss for us but I think we saw it coming 105 00:05:00,690 --> 00:04:56,300 he had a heart attack a couple of years 106 00:05:04,630 --> 00:05:00,700 ago and I think what's interesting about 107 00:05:06,909 --> 00:05:04,640 Stanton leaving us so dramatically by 108 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:06,919 dying literally at the airport he was 109 00:05:10,630 --> 00:05:09,260 coming back from one of his lectures and 110 00:05:13,690 --> 00:05:10,640 he had said he was going to try to 111 00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:13,700 retire and maybe he had scaled back a 112 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:15,470 little bit but he was still at it 113 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:19,130 I think Stanton Friedman will go down in 114 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:23,510 history about at the level of say J 115 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:26,330 Allen Hynek I mean he was he was someone 116 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:28,760 who was dedicated for a lifetime to this 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:32,030 and and existed at a very high level of 118 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:35,930 the conversation and III think that we 119 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:37,850 should all just acknowledge though the 120 00:05:43,719 --> 00:05:40,520 main contribution that Stanton made 121 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:43,729 besides his just tireless talking to 122 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:45,830 people about the topic and trying to 123 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:47,870 bring it into the mainstream the main 124 00:05:53,050 --> 00:05:50,120 contribution Stanton Friedman has made 125 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:53,060 is he was the man who found Jesse Marcel 126 00:05:59,379 --> 00:05:56,479 back in 1978 he's the man who brought 127 00:06:01,510 --> 00:05:59,389 Roswell to the public's attention and it 128 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:01,520 got a little confused over the years but 129 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:03,340 it was Stanton Friedman 130 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:04,810 we have to we have to give them credit 131 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:07,500 for that and and it's a big credit 132 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:10,000 absolutely I mean for those who don't 133 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,380 know the only reason we're talking about 134 00:06:16,469 --> 00:06:13,360 Roswell like you said is because of him 135 00:06:18,689 --> 00:06:16,479 without his dogged research and tracking 136 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:18,699 down witnesses you know where would we 137 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:20,889 be Bryce I honestly think this case 138 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:23,410 could have just faded into obscurity but 139 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:25,960 now it's the also where it is but also 140 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:29,740 luck I instead 78 Stanton Friedman was 141 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:31,810 was sitting in a coffee shop at a 142 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:35,440 television station when someone who he 143 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:37,450 had been there talking about flying 144 00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:39,490 saucers and somebody said you know you 145 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:42,220 really ought to call so it's all it's 146 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:44,889 all about kismet and karma and being in 147 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:46,060 the right place at the right time 148 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:49,200 and it for Stanton it was about being 149 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:53,020 ready to cancel this plane flight and to 150 00:06:58,770 --> 00:06:55,570 get in a his rental car and drive out to 151 00:07:00,510 --> 00:06:58,780 see that guy and and those are things 152 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:00,520 that we have to give him credit for I 153 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:02,650 think the the thing I wanted to just 154 00:07:07,529 --> 00:07:04,990 mention here is that we all have a 155 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:07,539 pretty I'd guess it's pretty 156 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:10,150 one-dimensional view of sin because we 157 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:13,030 know him for the public Stanton the man 158 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:17,310 who as I said spoke at a number of 159 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:19,660 conferences over the years in fact most 160 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:21,280 people who have seen him if there's any 161 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:23,200 knock on what Stanton did at the 162 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:24,880 conferences as he had his talking points 163 00:07:29,070 --> 00:07:27,250 and he pretty well stuck to them he was 164 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:29,080 not the guy that was always coming up 165 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:31,630 with oh my god I have to see him you 166 00:07:35,190 --> 00:07:33,280 know I have to see him in st. Louis cuz 167 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:35,200 who knows what he'll say this time he 168 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:38,889 tended to stick to the script but the 169 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:41,200 thing that I thought was extraordinarily 170 00:07:46,409 --> 00:07:43,450 interesting about Stanton in in 171 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:46,419 interviewing him at length for one of 172 00:07:50,969 --> 00:07:47,860 these projects which we'll talk about 173 00:07:53,219 --> 00:07:50,979 later but I got to know his personal 174 00:07:56,940 --> 00:07:53,229 life it was important for me to create a 175 00:07:59,100 --> 00:07:56,950 timeline of Stanton's life and so we 176 00:08:02,480 --> 00:07:59,110 literally spent about 30 hours going 177 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:02,490 through his is a whole life story and 178 00:08:07,710 --> 00:08:05,260 here's an interesting thing just a 179 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:07,720 little factoid we all know that Stanton 180 00:08:11,219 --> 00:08:09,340 Friedman has probably had you know 181 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:11,229 thousands of articles written about him 182 00:08:16,740 --> 00:08:13,419 and his travails across the world 183 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:16,750 talking about flying saucers but I doubt 184 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:17,200 very 185 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:22,090 early articles about him in 1963 was 186 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:24,400 Ladies Home Journal writing about 187 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:28,060 Staunton because he and his wife who his 188 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:30,730 first wife Susie who was fifteen years 189 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:33,580 older than him and she had been married 190 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:37,000 three times they had Stan had adopted 191 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:39,940 her children and they had adopted 192 00:08:44,250 --> 00:08:41,950 another child so it was an article about 193 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:44,260 adoption that Stanton Friedman was 194 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:46,270 featured in in Ladies Home Journal he 195 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:48,550 was a man with a big heart I thought he 196 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:50,980 had a really good sense of humor he had 197 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:55,240 great perspective on himself and he 198 00:08:59,430 --> 00:08:57,280 would probably have argued with you well 199 00:09:02,190 --> 00:08:59,440 I'm not really that important I I've 200 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:02,200 done a few things there but but we all 201 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:04,960 know that he'd have been missing the 202 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:07,540 mark because he was hugely important but 203 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:10,390 but I think Stanton would be also 204 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:12,430 interested I just got through reading 205 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:16,090 his New York Times obituary and I think 206 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:18,130 it proves that even though the New York 207 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Times is the newspaper that that broke 208 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:24,490 this story the current story we're 209 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:26,740 talking about so much these days with 210 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:30,040 the a tip and so forth in in this in 211 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:31,180 2017 212 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:33,730 they still wrote a rather they turned 213 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:36,250 over Stanton's obituary to someone who 214 00:09:40,290 --> 00:09:38,260 basically was very skeptical flying 215 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:40,300 saucers and made the usual jokes and 216 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:42,490 that kind of thing and and I I think 217 00:09:46,350 --> 00:09:43,450 that's too bad 218 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:46,360 I I hope that the future will give us a 219 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:48,640 chance to reevaluate Stanton and so many 220 00:09:53,790 --> 00:09:50,590 other people and let's face it once 221 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:53,800 disclosure is full and and ongoing the 222 00:09:59,340 --> 00:09:56,890 history of this whole story will be will 223 00:10:01,740 --> 00:09:59,350 be revised and Stanton will play a big 224 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:01,750 role in it I hope so man and I mean 225 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:04,330 that's one of the other big reasons that 226 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:05,890 I wanted to have you on specifically 227 00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:08,290 because you had that inside look at 228 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:10,600 Stanton Friedman that many of us never 229 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:13,480 saw and this came in the form of two 230 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:15,730 very interesting projects that you were 231 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:17,680 working on with him so I was wondering 232 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:19,570 would you mind maybe running us through 233 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:21,640 what these projects are and what it was 234 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:23,410 like getting and knowing beyond the 235 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:26,170 whole UFO thing like you sure I think 236 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:28,330 I'll tell you just what the projects are 237 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:30,970 and then I'll try to 238 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:33,130 I'll try to spin it toward the Stanton 239 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:35,320 thing not because I agree with you it's 240 00:10:39,810 --> 00:10:37,810 time for us to to give him his due and I 241 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:39,820 and nobody wants to do that more than me 242 00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:43,690 so I first met Stanton Friedman back in 243 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:46,600 the 90s when I was doing an NBC series 244 00:10:52,830 --> 00:10:50,110 called dark skies and I was in a Reading 245 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:52,840 Mode so I not only was I writing a lot 246 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:54,910 back then but I was also reading a lot 247 00:10:59,690 --> 00:10:57,280 and I had reached out to Stanton and 248 00:11:02,280 --> 00:10:59,700 optioned his book top-secret magic and 249 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:02,290 gotten to know him a little bit during 250 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:04,870 that time and we kept in touch on a 251 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:07,450 professional level at that point me 252 00:11:12,570 --> 00:11:09,880 trying to set up his his book and not I 253 00:11:15,180 --> 00:11:12,580 was never able to do that with at that 254 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:15,190 time but then a few years later flash 255 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:16,870 forward a few years later and I reached 256 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:19,270 I got this idea it would be an 257 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:21,640 interesting film to tell the story of 258 00:11:26,580 --> 00:11:24,040 the competition to break the Roswell 259 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:26,590 story because even though Stanton 260 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:29,950 Friedman ran the first lap of that he 261 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:33,100 then also went off and got involved in 262 00:11:39,780 --> 00:11:37,140 the magic majestic 12 documents and and 263 00:11:42,090 --> 00:11:39,790 you know nature abour is a vacuum so 264 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:42,100 other researchers came in notably Don 265 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:45,160 Schmidt at the time and Kevin Randall 266 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:48,040 and they challenged him on the Roswell 267 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:49,990 thing and for people that live through 268 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:53,080 ufology in the 90s it was it was like 269 00:11:59,820 --> 00:11:56,020 Trump and Pelosi going at each other if 270 00:12:02,340 --> 00:11:59,830 it was crazy because most of the world 271 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:02,350 didn't think that Roswell didn't know 272 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:03,790 anything about it Roswell and if they 273 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:05,110 did know anything didn't think it was 274 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:08,140 real and then you had Stanton and Don 275 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:10,000 Schmidt going at each other over this so 276 00:12:14,579 --> 00:12:12,340 I thought what an interesting thing so I 277 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:14,589 optioned Stanton's life story Don 278 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:16,930 Schmidt's life story and Schmidt's 279 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:19,030 witness to Roswell and Stanton's 280 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:21,490 top-secret magic and kind of put them 281 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:23,560 into the blender or the atom collider 282 00:12:28,050 --> 00:12:25,750 and tried to come up with a movie now 283 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:28,060 the Stanton angle on that is that I 284 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:30,670 really wanted to dig a little deeper I 285 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:33,780 wanted this to be the spoonful of sugar 286 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:36,280 movie that could get people to really 287 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:38,290 take Roswell seriously so in other words 288 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:40,660 I wanted the characters of Stanton and 289 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:43,240 Dawn to stand out and to have the 290 00:12:46,930 --> 00:12:44,630 Roswell thing 291 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,940 a very important part of the film but 292 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:48,560 but something that would cause people to 293 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:50,360 go maybe want to read more but they'd 294 00:12:55,389 --> 00:12:52,910 enjoy the characters so I needed to talk 295 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:55,399 to these guys so I stanton and I spent 296 00:13:00,129 --> 00:12:57,470 as I said about 30 hours but I was 297 00:13:02,139 --> 00:13:00,139 building a timeline I you know starting 298 00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:02,149 from okay when were you born 299 00:13:06,819 --> 00:13:03,980 where were you born what hospital were 300 00:13:08,439 --> 00:13:06,829 you born in what's the UFO first UFO 301 00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:08,449 book you ever read that kind of thing 302 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:12,079 just went went over it and and and over 303 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:14,240 it with him and and learned all kinds of 304 00:13:19,870 --> 00:13:17,720 things that make me smile about him he 305 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:19,880 was I had to drag it out of him I'll be 306 00:13:23,860 --> 00:13:21,410 honest with you he was not comfortable 307 00:13:27,460 --> 00:13:23,870 talking about himself he wanted to talk 308 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:27,470 about flying saucers but I but he also 309 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:32,120 understood that a film is is essentially 310 00:13:38,379 --> 00:13:34,790 telling a person's story as opposed to 311 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:38,389 the story of the event so we talked and 312 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:40,880 I interesting things popped up like he 313 00:13:45,069 --> 00:13:43,550 was classmates with Carl Sagan when he 314 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:45,079 went to college I thought that was 315 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:47,990 pretty interesting just imagine a class 316 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:51,050 with a you know two college students one 317 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:52,790 of whom is young Stanton Friedman and 318 00:13:56,650 --> 00:13:54,680 the other is young Carlson in fact 319 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:56,660 that's the movie we should make we 320 00:14:01,569 --> 00:13:58,850 should the movie of Stanton and Carl in 321 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:01,579 college you know that kind of thing very 322 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:04,760 interesting and by the way the first UFO 323 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:07,610 book he ever read was repelled I don't 324 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:09,649 know how to pronounce his name Aroo pelt 325 00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:13,130 his blue book he read that that was this 326 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:14,959 first thing that got him really really 327 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:18,769 going and you know he really didn't 328 00:14:25,449 --> 00:14:23,089 start lecturing until 64 1964 so if you 329 00:14:29,379 --> 00:14:25,459 think about it he he got a pretty good 330 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:29,389 run of lecturing in 50 some years oh he 331 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:33,230 was he was talking about this so I think 332 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:35,209 part of the contribution that Stan made 333 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:37,600 that you're referring to Ryan is that 334 00:14:45,069 --> 00:14:41,209 just by lasting longer you know he did 335 00:14:47,829 --> 00:14:45,079 make it to 84 he and he continued to 336 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:47,839 talk all the way through so many people 337 00:14:54,130 --> 00:14:50,600 had the Stanton Friedman experience and 338 00:14:56,889 --> 00:14:54,140 they heard what he had to say and and 339 00:14:59,949 --> 00:14:56,899 and I think it was very helpful 340 00:15:02,679 --> 00:14:59,959 the movement if you will that a man who 341 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:02,689 was as bright as Stanton and who was a 342 00:15:08,139 --> 00:15:05,689 nuclear physicist which he was happy to 343 00:15:10,540 --> 00:15:08,149 tell people and he should because he 344 00:15:12,369 --> 00:15:10,550 couldn't be dismissed as easily it's 345 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:12,379 it's very interesting that a person like 346 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:15,649 that kept out at all those years and he 347 00:15:21,069 --> 00:15:18,410 changed more than a few minds and that 348 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:21,079 is important and he was fearless when 349 00:15:27,579 --> 00:15:25,040 Ted Koppel put him on Nightline Stanton 350 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:27,589 just put his head down and went in and 351 00:15:37,710 --> 00:15:30,110 and suffered the slings and arrows but 352 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:40,090 involved in nuclear space and research 353 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:42,230 for such companies as General Electric 354 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:45,019 Westinghouse and General Motors mr. 355 00:15:48,939 --> 00:15:46,040 Friedman there are books there are 356 00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:48,949 magazine articles there are television 357 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:50,300 interview programs which have very 358 00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:51,860 little time such as this one give it 359 00:15:55,929 --> 00:15:53,839 your best shot if you are seeking to 360 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,939 convince the skeptical what do you point 361 00:15:59,980 --> 00:15:58,399 to I'm seeking to convince the healthy 362 00:16:01,989 --> 00:15:59,990 agnostics the skeptics don't want to 363 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:01,999 listen to the data in my findings I 364 00:16:06,429 --> 00:16:04,970 point to the 2400 plus landing trace 365 00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:06,439 cases physical changes in the 366 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:08,629 environment collected from 65 countries 367 00:16:14,110 --> 00:16:11,720 I point to the 3200 cases in Project 368 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:14,120 Blue Book special report 14 20 % of 369 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,889 which couldn't be explained and at all 370 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:17,360 the characteristics we attributed to 371 00:16:22,239 --> 00:16:19,910 flying saucers I point to the 3,500 372 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:22,249 pilot sightings collected by a NASA 373 00:16:26,379 --> 00:16:24,170 scientist on the west coast I point to 374 00:16:28,239 --> 00:16:26,389 Budd Hopkins hundred and forty abductees 375 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:28,249 with a waiting list of 200 and an 376 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:30,980 enormous amount of data in the form of 377 00:16:34,749 --> 00:16:32,870 documents some of them obtained from the 378 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:34,759 government directly some not so directly 379 00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,800 clearly indicating that our planet is 380 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:39,199 being visited that some UFOs or alien 381 00:16:44,199 --> 00:16:41,120 spacecraft and that we are indeed 382 00:16:46,269 --> 00:16:44,209 dealing with a cosmic Watergate so I've 383 00:16:48,999 --> 00:16:46,279 always had a lot of great respect for 384 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:49,009 what he did and and and I don't think 385 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:51,769 we'll ever forget him and in fact I am 386 00:16:57,850 --> 00:16:54,769 very hopeful that I can get this film 387 00:17:00,100 --> 00:16:57,860 made and that will give the world 388 00:17:01,509 --> 00:17:00,110 another chance to reevaluate who he was 389 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,519 the name of the film by the way is 390 00:17:06,909 --> 00:17:04,480 simply the crash and it's the story of 391 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:06,919 what happened at Roswell and Stanton and 392 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:10,370 Don competing for it the other project 393 00:17:13,340 --> 00:17:11,220 that 394 00:17:15,230 --> 00:17:13,350 mentioned is is called captured and 395 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,240 that's based on the book that was 396 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,280 written by Kathy Martin who is the niece 397 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:19,559 of Betty and Barney Hill or Betty hill 398 00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:22,140 she's the niece of Betty hill and and it 399 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:24,120 was co-written with Stanton Friedman so 400 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:25,530 I've spent a lot of time talking to 401 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:27,089 Stanton about that and I thought that 402 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,350 was interesting because Stanton is was 403 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:33,360 historically more of a cautious person 404 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:36,630 that didn't like to say more than was 405 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:39,900 there right so he would he would stick 406 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,780 to nuts and bolts cases as much as 407 00:17:47,630 --> 00:17:44,640 possible and it was very hard to get him 408 00:17:50,419 --> 00:17:47,640 to speculate he was that was not 409 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:50,429 something he wasn't into and certainly 410 00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,830 he didn't seem to want to speculate 411 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,720 about abductions but then he wrote the 412 00:17:58,730 --> 00:17:56,400 story of Betty and Barney Hill and he 413 00:18:01,460 --> 00:17:58,740 obviously came to believe that there was 414 00:18:03,529 --> 00:18:01,470 a very good case and just as an aside on 415 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:03,539 this matter of abductions at one point I 416 00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,240 said to Stanton okay I've just read my 417 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:09,120 fifth Whitley Strieber book what do you 418 00:18:14,299 --> 00:18:11,100 think about this guy is he telling the 419 00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:14,309 truth has Whitley Strieber been abducted 420 00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:18,840 and he thought about this for I must 421 00:18:23,539 --> 00:18:20,840 have been a couple of minutes before he 422 00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:23,549 spoke you could just it was kind of 423 00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:25,380 interesting just watching a quiet 424 00:18:29,419 --> 00:18:27,059 Stanton Friedman it was like your 425 00:18:32,539 --> 00:18:29,429 computers hung up and processed 426 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:32,549 buffering yeah it was Stan was just 427 00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:35,610 buffering for one that's and then he 428 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:41,460 says well I think that he has been 429 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:45,990 abducted at least once our take and I 430 00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:48,650 think that he also thought that he just 431 00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,179 that that Whitley was too good of a 432 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:53,520 writer and and maybe just ran with it on 433 00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:56,010 some other stuff interesting interesting 434 00:19:01,549 --> 00:18:58,500 you know I mean of but but that that's 435 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:01,559 the kind of thing I literally have a 30 436 00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:03,809 page timeline of Stanton Friedman's life 437 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:07,559 in front of me and it's it's it was a 438 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:08,820 life well lived 439 00:19:17,180 --> 00:19:12,900 a man who you know he was married twice 440 00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,190 he had some tragedy in his life in that 441 00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:19,679 a couple of his children died before he 442 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:24,030 did and and he was in many respects 443 00:19:28,060 --> 00:19:24,690 stoic 444 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,070 about that kind of thing he one of the 445 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:31,200 one of the things that struck me is that 446 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,240 in the midst of his doing this 447 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,280 incredible work you know trying to 448 00:19:40,340 --> 00:19:37,440 validate the majestic 12 documents he 449 00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:40,350 had a son died of AIDS during that time 450 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:43,560 and you know and this was when AIDS was 451 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:46,980 was brand-new on the scene in the 80s 452 00:19:55,550 --> 00:19:52,490 and you know a tough a tough life and he 453 00:19:57,410 --> 00:19:55,560 he had his share of sadness and 454 00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:57,420 disappointment as we all do in our lives 455 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:00,990 and he still managed to carry on and to 456 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:04,260 carry the flag for openness on the topic 457 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:07,770 of UFOs so congratulations to him and 458 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:08,430 we'll miss him 459 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:10,410 absolutely man I mean it really puts 460 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,120 things into perspective as one of the 461 00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,120 younger I guess UFO researchers out 462 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:17,280 there I mean he was the reason I got 463 00:20:21,860 --> 00:20:19,500 into this I read crash a corona and my 464 00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:21,870 life changed after that I found out 465 00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:24,420 flying saucers were crashing on our 466 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:26,460 planet no matter what they were or what 467 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:29,430 people speculated or what actually 468 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:32,610 crashed in Roswell it sent me on this 469 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:35,010 path as I know it has many other people 470 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:37,860 and you know I had the rare opportunity 471 00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:40,410 to see him give his last lecture in 472 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:43,230 Canada a couple of years ago and you 473 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,450 know I will never forget that so for 474 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:47,760 someone like me and these these people 475 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:51,210 coming into the field fresh and young to 476 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:53,820 look at someone like Stan and see that 477 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:56,430 you can you can have a life outside of 478 00:21:01,460 --> 00:20:58,770 ufology as well I think that's very 479 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:01,470 important too is getting to that human 480 00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:04,560 side of this man who most of us know 481 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:07,620 through UFOs so if anything I'm glad 482 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:10,260 that we know more about him other than 483 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:14,250 UFOs in that you are still going on with 484 00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:16,110 this project you know it's only hard 485 00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:18,060 when one of your protagonists finally 486 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:21,060 leaves this mortal coil well I'll tell 487 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,010 you what's artist about it ryan is just 488 00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:26,880 that many times I had to explain to Stan 489 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,740 now this is a movie I let him read the 490 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:30,480 script at one time and I said no this is 491 00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,790 a movie and don't don't get offended or 492 00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,380 anything but don't think of this 493 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:36,720 character that you read called Stan is 494 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:38,220 is you 495 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:39,450 exactly he's a hundred and eighty 496 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:43,200 percent of you it's not and and he took 497 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:46,169 it in good stride and his only thing to 498 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:48,150 me was look I understand you know how 499 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:50,130 movies are made and all that he said 500 00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:52,230 just hurry up and get this thing done so 501 00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:55,620 I can see it and so I think that I have 502 00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,620 a special sadness over that that I was 503 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:00,960 unable to accomplish that in his 504 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:02,990 lifetime but it doesn't stop me from 505 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:06,390 wanting to finish it as his part of his 506 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:09,570 legacy and and if you think about it it 507 00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,970 is kind of a study it does there is a 508 00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:14,159 natural warmth and comedy and the whole 509 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:16,620 thing if if you think about Stan and Don 510 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,929 Schmidt Don Schmidt we all know is is 511 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:21,360 you know very you know he's he's a 512 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:24,750 smooth guy trim beard he combs this 513 00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,850 error he looks you know he puts on a 514 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:29,039 nice suit and it's always fitted and 515 00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:31,320 he's working out you know there's so 516 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,299 there's dawn and then there's Stan who 517 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:36,240 was just kind of you know kind of a wild 518 00:22:42,919 --> 00:22:38,909 man with the wild eyebrows and the bushy 519 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:42,929 beard and and you know he's just marched 520 00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,049 to his own drum and he didn't uh you 521 00:22:50,299 --> 00:22:48,299 know he wasn't trying to impress you 522 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,309 in any way he was just trying to 523 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:52,440 convince you that he was right about 524 00:22:56,299 --> 00:22:54,809 these things so what I found I'll tell 525 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,309 you that one of the things that first 526 00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:58,320 got me to say this has got to be a movie 527 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:01,500 is that I was talking to Stanton and he 528 00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:04,140 said that what had happened in the 90s 529 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,059 and these were brutal comments these two 530 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:08,159 guys were making about each other I mean 531 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:09,960 if to read them now it's it's kind of 532 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:12,450 funny I mean it but it was good I mean 533 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:14,600 it was they were thrashing out an issue 534 00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:18,960 uh it was sort of the the to the stars 535 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,820 Academy of its time you know where some 536 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:22,559 people take one side and some people 537 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:24,570 take the other and and so they were they 538 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,220 were fighting about these two sides and 539 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,260 what I thought was astonishingly 540 00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:30,900 interesting is no researcher makes a lot 541 00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:33,059 of money let's face it that's not yet 542 00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:35,400 and nobody who writes UFO books makes a 543 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:37,980 lot of money no we just all know that to 544 00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:39,650 be a fact even though some people 545 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:42,059 pretend otherwise but they they were 546 00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:44,010 they were living hand-to-mouth but 547 00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,140 trying to be devoted to their roswell 548 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:48,600 research which relied on the kindness of 549 00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:51,210 strangers so along comes in the 90s 550 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:52,020 after these two 551 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:54,570 and going at each other hammer and tongs 552 00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:58,290 for four years they get an offer to fund 553 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:00,870 for a further round of research but it 554 00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:04,470 involves them working together so stamp 555 00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:07,320 it done who are these bitter enemies at 556 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:09,630 this point end up driving around in a 557 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:11,160 rental car and staying in motels 558 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:14,370 together and I just like if that's not a 559 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:16,920 movie if that's not if that doesn't give 560 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,510 you something to write I don't know what 561 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,000 does so so hopefully when people see it 562 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:22,980 they'll get they'll see the you'll see 563 00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:25,710 Stan as the warm human being that he was 564 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:28,680 flaws and all and you'll also see him 565 00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:31,350 for the tenacious researcher he was and 566 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:35,220 and and let's let's be serious about 567 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:38,850 that he was tenacious particularly on 568 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:42,450 the majestic 12 documents it's hard to 569 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,490 you know go to all these different 570 00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:46,080 places and go through all these 571 00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:48,750 documents and to study whether it Spica 572 00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:51,920 or elite typeface that's being used and 573 00:24:58,220 --> 00:24:54,900 and when somebody first started using 574 00:25:01,520 --> 00:24:58,230 mica and you know all that stuff that 575 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,530 minutia which is what an investigative 576 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:04,080 reporter does and I've always looked at 577 00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,510 it this way what Stanton Friedman did 578 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:08,940 for Roswell for majestic 12 documents 579 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:14,010 were for just the study of UFOs in 580 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:16,370 general is something that frankly 581 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:18,600 Woodward and Bernstein should have been 582 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:20,970 doing and since since Woodward and 583 00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:23,700 Bernstein and every other establishment 584 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:25,920 investigative reporter seemed to be 585 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:28,860 taking a pass on this this topic that 586 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:31,710 we're also interested in Stanton stepped 587 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:33,690 into the breach and did that work and he 588 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:37,440 did it well I mean I'm I'm also you know 589 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:40,650 in my early pre Hollywood life was an 590 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:43,650 investigative reporter and and and I 591 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:45,420 gotta tell you and I you know I studied 592 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,130 broadcast journalism at the University 593 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:49,200 of Oregon so I know a little bit about 594 00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:52,460 it and I will tell you his methods were 595 00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:57,260 top-notch and his doggedness to 596 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:00,600 persevere even after he's run out of 597 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:02,490 money and he's run out of time was 598 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:06,120 phenomenal so just a lot about the man 599 00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:09,210 is worthy of emulation and not the least 600 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,060 of which is just when you when you see 601 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:14,760 that something is needs to be done you 602 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:18,210 you set your brain on doing it and you 603 00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:20,670 just pay the price to get it done and it 604 00:26:27,290 --> 00:26:22,350 did have a price for him I mean 605 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:27,300 obviously his his two wives both had to 606 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:29,190 put up with a guy that was his dog at 607 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:31,500 his stand Freedman but they loved him 608 00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:35,430 anyway so there's no I couldn't agree 609 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:37,920 more Bryson I mean this this accurate 610 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:40,290 portrayal of Stan in the work you're 611 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,870 doing I think is important and essential 612 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:45,960 and it kind of reminds me of the recent 613 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:48,570 TV show that came out and I'd love to 614 00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:50,370 get your perspective on this working in 615 00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:53,640 Hollywood Project Blue Book now here's 616 00:26:59,030 --> 00:26:56,580 another big icon in our field J Allen 617 00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,040 Hynek now on television on a weekly 618 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:01,380 basis right oh they got their season to 619 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,440 pick up and who knows where it's gonna 620 00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:06,720 go from there but I got to ask man what 621 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,510 do you think about how J Allen Hynek has 622 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:11,850 been portrayed on the History Channel 623 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:14,760 well I'm conflicted because I do this 624 00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:15,750 for a living 625 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:18,630 myself and so as a consequence I don't 626 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:20,730 want to be too critical of the decisions 627 00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:23,790 other people have made so without 628 00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,100 without wagging a finger at anybody 629 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:28,320 let's just state the fact the J Allen 630 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:30,510 Hynek of Project Blue Book bares 631 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,490 precious little resemblance to the 632 00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:34,200 actual J Allen Hynek 633 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:37,350 and and what work he did on Blue Book 634 00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:40,260 it's it's it's moved around a lot 635 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:42,750 there's a lot of dramatic license but on 636 00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:45,180 the other hand look I've I'm going to be 637 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,790 taking dramatic license with this movie 638 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:51,120 about Roswell and and even with the the 639 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:53,130 story about Betty and Barney Hill and in 640 00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:55,020 fact I have a movie coming out next year 641 00:27:59,150 --> 00:27:57,270 about the the true story of the last 642 00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:59,160 battle of World War two it's called the 643 00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:01,140 last battle and I only bring it up to 644 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:04,620 say that over the course of time the 645 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:07,800 film that will be made will not be the 646 00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,810 exact truth about the last battle it'll 647 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:11,940 be pretty good it'll be in the right 648 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:14,730 world and it'll be a fabulous film but 649 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,350 if people want to know the truth they're 650 00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:19,200 gonna have to go read that book so 651 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,040 circling back to Hynek and Bluebook to 652 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:25,380 the extent the project Bluebook and the 653 00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:27,809 History Channel have brought more 654 00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:30,390 people's attention to the real story of 655 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:32,280 Blue Book and the real story of Hynek 656 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,700 that's fantastic I only am concerned and 657 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:38,580 again I I don't want to be the cup pot 658 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:41,130 calling kettle black but I'm only 659 00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,500 concerned that there are lots and lots 660 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,940 of people when they hear about this 661 00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:47,520 popular news series who tuned in and all 662 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:50,160 they'll ever know about Blue Book is 663 00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:52,410 what they see on the air and all they'll 664 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,390 ever know about J Allen Hynek is what 665 00:29:02,419 --> 00:28:57,360 they see on the air and that's too bad 666 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:02,429 because the the actual story and of 667 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:05,190 Hynek and Blue Book is fascinating and 668 00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,350 and does by the way rappin did the two 669 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:09,179 other individuals we've talked about 670 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:14,490 obviously Stan was very moved by much of 671 00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:18,270 what he read in Blue Book and I you know 672 00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,790 one of the things that he he was most 673 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,860 one of the things that he talked about 674 00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:24,840 to the end of his days was Blue Book 675 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:28,620 special report 14 so if anyone is wants 676 00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:31,710 to understand go read that and and Don 677 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,740 Schmidt of course knew and worked for J 678 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:37,740 Allen Hynek and Hynek was like a mentor 679 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:40,620 to Don Schmidt and interestingly enough 680 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,770 and apropos of your question toward the 681 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:45,960 end of jail and hynek's life according 682 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,140 to dawn I think he was being wheeled 683 00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,120 into a surgery the way the story goes 684 00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:54,000 and one of the things that Hynek said 685 00:30:01,820 --> 00:29:58,500 was why won't they tell me even now why 686 00:30:05,049 --> 00:30:01,830 won't they tell me even now so if that's 687 00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:05,059 the true state of J Allen Hynek as he 688 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:08,700 faces his own mortality then I then 689 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,610 obviously the J Allen Hynek of Project 690 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:13,679 Blue Book who seems to be running into 691 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:17,030 dead bodies and crash wreckage and 692 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:19,770 abduction victims and you know a lot of 693 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:22,010 the stuff that's already in season one 694 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,049 that would that didn't happen you know 695 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:27,840 in the way that it did because Hynek was 696 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:31,290 always kept at arm's length and rumsfeld 697 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:32,730 even 698 00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:36,510 I believe according to Don Schmidt Hynek 699 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,230 was in Rumsfeld before he was the 700 00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:42,059 Secretary of Defense that we remember 701 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:45,539 him as during the Iraq war Donald 702 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:47,610 Rumsfeld was also the Secretary of 703 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:50,970 Defense briefly in 1976 I believe for 704 00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:54,210 Gerald Ford and Hynek was in his office 705 00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:57,270 and demanded to be brought and this is 706 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:00,059 76 and remember Bluebook as you're 707 00:31:06,620 --> 00:31:03,809 watching it on TV is in 52 I think so 708 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:06,630 Hynek is in there in 76 demanding to 709 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:09,570 know more and Rumsfeld famously had a 710 00:31:14,659 --> 00:31:11,970 standing desk and he comes around his 711 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:14,669 standing desk and just gets in hynek's 712 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:17,370 face and says don't you ever come in 713 00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:18,659 here and talk to me like that again 714 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:22,399 don't you ever bring this up again 715 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:24,750 yeah see I mean you can't write that 716 00:31:32,539 --> 00:31:29,850 stuff so David O'Leary is a friend of 717 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:32,549 mine I we had lunch when his show got 718 00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,010 picked up he's a terrific guy great 719 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:37,679 writer I I do know that there are 720 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:39,750 certain you know when overran writers 721 00:31:45,139 --> 00:31:42,330 come into contact with studios and 722 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,149 networks quite often executives will who 723 00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,000 don't know anything about the topic will 724 00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:50,100 say well here's the way I see it and 725 00:31:55,639 --> 00:31:52,350 they'll start to treat it like it's just 726 00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:55,649 a fictitious character mm-hmm you know 727 00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:57,750 so here's what I would have this Hynek 728 00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:58,350 guy do 729 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:00,539 and so the argument would be well but 730 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,490 Hynek didn't do that yeah I know but 731 00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,620 this is a TV series and this is better 732 00:32:08,539 --> 00:32:06,480 so they're trying to improve on history 733 00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:08,549 and and I get it because I do it myself 734 00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,419 I think it's a spectrum if you if you if 735 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:15,240 you look at the spectrum of adherence to 736 00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,710 truth versus dramatic license I think 737 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,419 you kind of want to try to hit the sweet 738 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,940 spot you want to want to take enough 739 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,980 dramatic license that you make a great 740 00:32:29,299 --> 00:32:27,960 project and that's got to be first 741 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:29,309 because nobody's going to give you 742 00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,250 millions of dollars to make a movie that 743 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,100 they think is going to fail so you have 744 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:37,320 to you have to make the customer 745 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:39,630 satisfied if you will but at the same 746 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,809 time your job as someone who is the 747 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:45,000 writer of a true story is to at least 748 00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,110 get the essence 749 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:48,299 right yep I hear you man and I keep 750 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,610 telling people it goes for your films 751 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:52,380 and it goes for a project Bluebook like 752 00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:54,809 these are not documentaries you know you 753 00:32:59,899 --> 00:32:57,539 know then we have to remember that so I 754 00:33:01,880 --> 00:32:59,909 really I really appreciate getting your 755 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,890 perspective on that whole thing because 756 00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:03,840 I know a lot of people were up in arms 757 00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:06,059 about Blue Book and there will always be 758 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:09,750 those people out there but the fact that 759 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:11,010 these things are getting out to the 760 00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:12,690 mainstream is more exciting than 761 00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:16,860 anything and you had your major brush in 762 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:19,320 the mainstream when it came to your 763 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,870 television series and that was dark 764 00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:23,460 skies and I gotta ask you 765 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:25,169 I remember hearing you tell a story 766 00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,260 about a - mysterious incidents I should 767 00:33:32,779 --> 00:33:30,720 say that took place during the developer 768 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:32,789 of the show would you mind running us - 769 00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:34,769 well I mean the thing is we all have 770 00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:36,779 this happen to us we have people say hey 771 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:39,419 did you ever have you ever seen a UFO 772 00:33:43,879 --> 00:33:41,370 and I have to say no and then they say 773 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:43,889 hey have you ever are you an experiencer 774 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:47,340 were you abducted no but I have had a 775 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,710 couple of experiences that put me in 776 00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:52,080 close in a close encounter with 777 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,539 something that looked like a cover-up 778 00:33:59,299 --> 00:33:56,940 and let's face it people don't cover up 779 00:34:03,100 --> 00:33:59,309 things if there's nothing to cover up so 780 00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:03,110 you sort of can Intuit what we're facing 781 00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,419 by these two stories so I and I've told 782 00:34:10,579 --> 00:34:07,799 these stories before and I don't want to 783 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:10,589 spend all your time but I'll give you 784 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:13,010 the short versions and and and also 785 00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:16,409 Robbie Graham a friend of ours has 786 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:19,470 written a really nice explanation of the 787 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:21,210 details of these things in in a 788 00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,250 mysterious universe article but here's 789 00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,980 what happened we had shot the you know 790 00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:27,839 dark skies for those who haven't seen it 791 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:30,030 that's out on DVD if you want to see it 792 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:33,570 but it was a television series in the 793 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:37,200 90s dedicated to the it was a period UFO 794 00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:40,530 piece so the whole concept was JFK in 795 00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:43,230 the pilot JFK was assassinated because 796 00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:44,700 he was going to tell the truth about 797 00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:47,460 UFOs in his second term so that's kind 798 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:50,460 of the story was and then we wound real 799 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,669 people and real events in with UFO and 800 00:34:59,060 --> 00:34:57,119 you Falah djegal events okay so we 801 00:35:01,100 --> 00:34:59,070 finished that pilot 802 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:01,110 and we get picked up to series and we're 803 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:03,180 having a big party at my house about 200 804 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:06,540 people at the house and they're the cast 805 00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,940 and crew basically and no one has seen 806 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:11,640 the show yet we've cut it we've 807 00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,050 submitted it to the network in the 808 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:15,240 studio but generally speaking not even 809 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,470 the people in the cast and crew have 810 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:18,000 seen it they're coming out we're gonna 811 00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:20,730 air it and everybody got a little magic 812 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,700 badge Maj I see you know because we are 813 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,460 majestic 12 was a sort of a character a 814 00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:29,400 location in the show and so we all had 815 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:31,590 our little fake magic badges except 816 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:34,770 there's this one guy in the backyard who 817 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,570 doesn't have one and I don't know who he 818 00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:38,040 is I know everybody else in my backyard 819 00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:39,960 but I don't know this guy and he's 820 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:42,360 talking to my partner Brent Friedman and 821 00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:45,950 this guy looks to be you know thirty 822 00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:48,900 blue sport coat khaki pants kind of 823 00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:52,190 preppy kind of thing and he basically 824 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:54,990 has is telling Brent that he's from 825 00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:57,810 Naval Intelligence okay and that they've 826 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:00,660 seen our show and they think it's really 827 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:03,810 good but they that we could use some 828 00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:06,930 help and they're prepared to help us and 829 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:09,990 so Brent's like what well first of all 830 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:11,430 how did you see it well you don't need 831 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:14,190 to know about that well what do you want 832 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:17,370 us to do so I I joined this but I'm in 833 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:18,930 the middle of hosting a party with 200 834 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:20,220 people so I don't have a lot of 835 00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:22,470 attention on this but the guy has 836 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:26,280 scribbled for Brent on a napkin a some 837 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:30,050 kind of mathematical formula and that 838 00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:33,890 napkin no longer exists at least in my 839 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:37,230 sphere of things but and I said what is 840 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:38,990 this and he goes secret of the universe 841 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:42,690 sound light and frequency and we're like 842 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,210 ok and I didn't have time to deal with 843 00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,700 this and I wasn't really I think the guy 844 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:52,380 could tell I wasn't really happy to have 845 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:54,090 somebody crashing my party because I 846 00:36:58,580 --> 00:36:56,310 figured like this he's not really naval 847 00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:58,590 intelligence and it's some kind of 848 00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:00,420 thing and and I don't know why 849 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:02,670 he's here and so he took his leave he 850 00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:05,130 said you know nice meeting you guys you 851 00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:07,350 know I'll be in touch well he was in 852 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:10,680 touch and he he's called Brent up I 853 00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:13,110 believe the next day and said listen 854 00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:15,390 I know Bryce is skeptical what if I 855 00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,200 bring you know my boss in and we'll talk 856 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,780 to you at the office so Brent scheduled 857 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,060 it so suddenly in the middle of the day 858 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:26,480 I'm told hey that guy from your party 859 00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:28,860 he's there with his boss and they're in 860 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:32,430 the conference room so we go to talk to 861 00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,620 these two guys and I have to say these 862 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:36,300 are not fanboys they're not the 863 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:39,090 400-pound guy in the basement on his 864 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:41,010 computer that Trump talked about they're 865 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:42,330 not that kind of guy 866 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:45,660 these are lean muscular military bearing 867 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:47,790 kind of guys and they're not there to 868 00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,130 kiss up to us they're actually the old 869 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:52,260 the other guy who's about 40-something 870 00:37:56,330 --> 00:37:54,900 is actually kind of dismissive of us you 871 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:56,340 could sort of see he's like you know I 872 00:38:01,280 --> 00:37:58,050 wish I didn't have to be here talking to 873 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,290 you boneheads but but here I am and they 874 00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:04,560 laid out in the entire scenario for what 875 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,120 was going on in the whole UFO world that 876 00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:12,180 was quite detailed and if it was done to 877 00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,910 hoax Brent and I somebody put you know 878 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,520 many many hours into the creating this 879 00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:19,680 hoax I felt like I was in the center of 880 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,260 a multi-player role-playing game to be 881 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:25,320 honest with you and literally the same 882 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:27,750 thing occurred after a couple of hours 883 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:31,740 of this where I I have to say I didn't 884 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:34,620 see these guys as fakers or hoaxers they 885 00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:36,630 seem pretty straightforward to me and 886 00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:39,060 and again you got to be pretty confident 887 00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,840 of your hoax if you can be irritated 888 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:44,400 with the guy your hoaxing I mean it was 889 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:46,650 just this isn't really interesting but I 890 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:48,570 think at the end of a couple hours I 891 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:51,570 said guys to be honest with you I I 892 00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,410 gotta go I've got a show to run and I 893 00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:56,880 don't think the network or the studio 894 00:39:02,330 --> 00:38:59,130 wants gives a damn whether I'm talking 895 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:02,340 to you guys or not they want me just to 896 00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:05,820 make the show okay final piece of this 897 00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:09,270 so they left final piece of it is that 898 00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,540 the next day and Brent was sort of the 899 00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:15,000 the go-between here this guy calls 900 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:17,940 Brendan says okay look I hope that that 901 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,650 what we talked about yesterday was 902 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:22,500 helpful to you guys but I can see that 903 00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:26,370 you want the full treatment you really 904 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:27,060 want in 905 00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:30,390 and Brent said well you know ya know if 906 00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:33,360 you've got a way to prove who you are 907 00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:36,120 in a better way yeah that would be great 908 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:38,580 okay here's what they proposed I'm not 909 00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:39,990 making this up because it always makes 910 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:42,270 people laugh that it's like are you 911 00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:44,370 kidding but this actually happened 912 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:47,640 he said well look the big guy is on a 913 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:50,550 ship in Long Beach which frankly makes 914 00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,770 sense from the naval point of view and 915 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:54,960 if you want to meet him he's prepared to 916 00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:57,810 meet with you but we have to do this in 917 00:40:01,730 --> 00:40:00,090 a slightly different way he's prepared 918 00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:01,740 to meet with you the meeting will happen 919 00:40:10,850 --> 00:40:05,870 on Friday at midnight in a cemetery and 920 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:10,860 you know listen I thought my first take 921 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:13,590 was this is some kind of cult initiation 922 00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:14,550 or something 923 00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:16,950 Brent's take was that there was 924 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:18,840 something buried in the cemetery they 925 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:21,330 they wanted to show us III don't know 926 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:23,910 but what I ended up saying was you know 927 00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:25,890 what I'm done here I've got three 928 00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,830 children and I'm not meeting anybody in 929 00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,320 a cemetery at midnight so we're done 930 00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:33,900 here and I never saw them again I mean 931 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:36,990 that's that's a movie within itself well 932 00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:38,490 in fact I'll be honest with you what 933 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:40,980 Brent and I were talking about is we 934 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:42,890 thought wouldn't it be an interesting 935 00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,110 television series literally to do it 936 00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:48,240 from our point of view and it's and the 937 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:50,550 question would be what happens if you go 938 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:53,670 to the cemetery yeah you know what does 939 00:40:58,460 --> 00:40:56,190 happen I mean do you get killed do you 940 00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:58,470 get to do they dig up a piece of Roswell 941 00:41:02,570 --> 00:40:59,640 footage what did they do 942 00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,580 I mean but you know again I'm a father 943 00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,160 of three and I I just thought it's 944 00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:07,680 irresponsible of me as a parent to put 945 00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:09,780 myself at that kind of risk so I just 946 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:13,220 took a pass I completely understand that 947 00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,570 however I would have sent you to the 948 00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:17,160 cemetery at midnight if we'd knowing 949 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:19,080 each other back then I will I will be 950 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:20,850 your scapegoat for that one for sure 951 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,490 and I just want you to know that there 952 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,440 was you know memory fades I have this 953 00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:26,880 written down but there were a lot of 954 00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:29,880 details I mean this none of this was 955 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:33,480 this I mean in two hours these two guys 956 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:36,750 told us a lot of details now and and 957 00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:38,550 they were not details that I was you 958 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:40,350 know the Internet was not 959 00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:45,600 as full of stuff as it is today so I had 960 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:49,620 not heard of a lot of these details so I 961 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:52,290 don't you know I don't know maybe they 962 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:53,810 were making them up maybe they weren't 963 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:56,430 maybe it was disinformation maybe they 964 00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:57,690 were the real guys and it was 965 00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,530 disinformation 966 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,420 I mean Brent and I have played this over 967 00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,760 in our heads many times over the years 968 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:04,800 to try to figure out what what was going 969 00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:07,470 on well I mean brace that that really 970 00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,960 ties into the article that you mentioned 971 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:11,820 that Robbie Graham wrote and this whole 972 00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:14,280 idea of you know the government or the 973 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:16,920 military getting involved with Hollywood 974 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:19,320 I mean have you ever heard any other 975 00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,730 stories about these sort of things 976 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:22,950 happening where they try to pump 977 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:25,530 disinformation into these these sort of 978 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:30,570 projects I mean not to the direct level 979 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:33,780 that that I feel this story rises to now 980 00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:35,370 of course we've all heard the stories 981 00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,380 about you know Reagan talking to 982 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:40,020 Spielberg and in people you know those 983 00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:43,050 kind of stories but this was kind of I 984 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,840 mean obviously this would I doubt 985 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:47,760 anybody told Spielberg he had to go to a 986 00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:51,510 Long Beach Cemetery at midnight so no I 987 00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:53,190 I actually haven't heard of anything 988 00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:57,030 quite this direct but I I will just to 989 00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,260 set the table NBC had invested heavily 990 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:03,900 and dark skies and it was a big show for 991 00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:06,510 them and they were making it the 992 00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:07,980 centerpiece of what they called their 993 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:10,920 Saturday night thrillogy so we were the 994 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:12,570 eight o'clock show then there's a nine 995 00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:15,210 in a ten so we were the anchor to the 996 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:18,270 whole night and we were expected to be a 997 00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:22,050 big show x-files was also on at that 998 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:24,470 time so there was just a feeling that 999 00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,510 this was going to be a big one and and 1000 00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:29,940 of course until the audience actually 1001 00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:31,500 watches or doesn't watch something 1002 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:34,590 you're full of a lot of expectations so 1003 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:37,590 it wouldn't surprise me that somebody 1004 00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:41,130 who was part of managing UFO perception 1005 00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:43,620 for somebody would have would have been 1006 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:47,430 dialed into this and even though it it 1007 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:50,250 the show had not aired the people with 1008 00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:51,900 connections probably could have got a 1009 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:53,430 copy of it I mean it 1010 00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:56,760 you were if you were seriously wired 1011 00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:00,180 into the who's doing what on the inside 1012 00:44:04,819 --> 00:44:02,670 and you needed to see a copy of the dark 1013 00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:04,829 skies pilot you know it had been around 1014 00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:07,800 for a few months so it's possible but 1015 00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,480 they were very detailed about it I mean 1016 00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:11,160 in other words they didn't just show up 1017 00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,829 and say yeah we you know tell us about 1018 00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:16,079 your pilot no they told us about our 1019 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:19,109 pilot they they told us what was in our 1020 00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:20,970 pilot what they liked and what they 1021 00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,819 didn't like that's very interesting so 1022 00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,980 they definitely had at least someone on 1023 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:27,359 the inside who was able to get them the 1024 00:44:34,819 --> 00:44:30,270 scripts somehow Wow you have to be a 1025 00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:34,829 skeptic too it's quite possible that I 1026 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,400 guess somebody in Hollywood at a 1027 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,660 assistant who was a friend who loaned 1028 00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,520 him this and they made a copy or 1029 00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,800 whatever and then somebody decided 1030 00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:45,599 wouldn't it be fun to scam these guys 1031 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:48,599 and but but but if they did all that 1032 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,040 they would have had to write all this 1033 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:52,380 scenario out and they would have had to 1034 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:55,290 train actors to deliver it so it all 1035 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,450 seems like kind of a long shot is now at 1036 00:45:02,420 --> 00:44:59,520 how it occurred but it did occur in and 1037 00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:02,430 again a some of the extra details are in 1038 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:05,240 that mysterious universe article but 1039 00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:08,609 yeah yeah that's crazy 1040 00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,670 the mystery will remain but you know 1041 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:13,140 sort of bringing us back to modern 1042 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:15,930 mythology we we had the Pentagon UFO 1043 00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:17,970 story release and there was this 1044 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:20,819 explosion of mainstream media coverage 1045 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:23,190 and now we're getting tons of new UFO 1046 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,270 investigation shows on TV guilty on I'm 1047 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:30,240 part of one of them in a very critical 1048 00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:33,650 of all these you know scripted reality 1049 00:45:39,289 --> 00:45:37,619 investigation shows even my own but the 1050 00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:39,299 fact of the matter is were getting word 1051 00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:42,329 out to the mainstream about UFOs and we 1052 00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:43,950 even had the Navy announced they're 1053 00:45:48,859 --> 00:45:46,980 updating they're re-evaluating their UFO 1054 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:48,869 protocols so I got to ask you having 1055 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:51,990 co-written the only book on hypothetical 1056 00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:55,049 UFO disclosure you know and its impact 1057 00:45:59,539 --> 00:45:57,089 do you think do you think we're living 1058 00:46:02,510 --> 00:45:59,549 in a new age of UFO disclosure I guess 1059 00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:02,520 that's sort of the way I put it well the 1060 00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,230 book you're referring to is called ad 1061 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:06,800 after disclosure and I co-wrote it with 1062 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:09,410 Richard Dolan who I think is still one 1063 00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,310 of the best UFO historians out there and 1064 00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:16,640 yeah we tried to with that book say look 1065 00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:18,470 there's been 5,000 books written about 1066 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:20,420 UFOs trying to prove they're real what 1067 00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:22,760 if we write a book that says they are 1068 00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,160 real what happens when we all admit it 1069 00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,680 to ourselves and and that's a pretty 1070 00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:30,800 good definition a broad definition of 1071 00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:33,230 disclosure it's when somehow people have 1072 00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:35,480 talked openly enough about it that we 1073 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:37,880 all pretty much understand that UFOs are 1074 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:39,410 real whether we know what they are or 1075 00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:41,650 not but we know that they're not ours so 1076 00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:44,240 are we in a new age of disclosure 1077 00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,300 absolutely I mean I don't think you 1078 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:49,880 could think anything other than that now 1079 00:46:56,830 --> 00:46:53,530 does that mean it's all a seamless 1080 00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:56,840 wonderful transition no that's not 1081 00:47:01,810 --> 00:47:00,050 happening it's not like Sarah Huckabee 1082 00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,820 Sanders is going to call in the press 1083 00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:04,400 and say and by the way here's everybody 1084 00:47:10,690 --> 00:47:06,980 has a hard drive with four terabytes of 1085 00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:10,700 UFO footage on it go crazy that's not 1086 00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,700 happening what is happening is let me 1087 00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:15,920 put it this way Richard and I saw the 1088 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:18,350 world that we were living in then as the 1089 00:47:24,849 --> 00:47:20,810 BC world the before Confirmation world 1090 00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:24,859 and the world after we admit these 1091 00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:27,470 things are real as the ad the after 1092 00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:29,720 disclosure world so it's a continuum 1093 00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:32,600 moving from BC to AD we are we have 1094 00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:36,980 moved further down that continuum toward 1095 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:40,460 the ad world we're not there yet but we 1096 00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:43,090 seem to be getting closer somebody 1097 00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:47,960 somewhere is allowing some of this new 1098 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:49,820 information out there and there must be 1099 00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:52,850 some method in that madness so I think 1100 00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:56,390 we are moving in that world also what 1101 00:48:01,090 --> 00:47:59,300 has happened over the years is it used 1102 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:01,100 to be if you think about it in the in 1103 00:48:06,099 --> 00:48:03,770 the 1950s or 60s if anyone was going to 1104 00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:06,109 disclose anything it pretty much had to 1105 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:07,550 be the government they had all the 1106 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:09,980 goodies and if anybody was going to talk 1107 00:48:13,630 --> 00:48:11,720 it was going to be them and they didn't 1108 00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,640 talk so the rest of us were left out in 1109 00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:15,920 the cold like Stanton Friedman knocking 1110 00:48:20,010 --> 00:48:18,200 on the door trying to tell the story of 1111 00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,020 what was going on but 1112 00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:22,480 really being on the inside today we live 1113 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:23,980 in a different world we all have our 1114 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:25,510 cell phones we have our computers we 1115 00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:26,890 have the Internet 1116 00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:30,400 we have access to incredible technology 1117 00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,710 for surveillance and observation and so 1118 00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:35,920 forth so we are currently in the process 1119 00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:39,190 of disclosing to ourselves that that 1120 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:41,080 this is a reality we have to deal with 1121 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:44,260 so yeah we are in a new world that's 1122 00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:46,690 partly because of the technology that 1123 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:48,580 we're doing it ourselves and I wouldn't 1124 00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:52,230 be surprised if the fact that we are so 1125 00:48:59,130 --> 00:48:56,020 actively and accurately starting to 1126 00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:59,140 disclose some of this behavior amongst 1127 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:00,610 ourselves and to the rest of the world 1128 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:02,710 that the people you know I'm not gonna 1129 00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:04,510 call these people bad guys I don't know 1130 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:07,060 exactly who they are but somebody has 1131 00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:09,640 been involved in managing the UFO secret 1132 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:13,150 for up to seven decades and the group of 1133 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:15,220 people who have been managing it have 1134 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:18,070 probably transitioned from military only 1135 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:22,120 to a more of a mixed use group right now 1136 00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:24,910 and I wouldn't be surprised if there are 1137 00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,460 hawks and doves within those within that 1138 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:30,640 group on the topic of disclosure some of 1139 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:33,010 them saying we got to get this out now 1140 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:35,170 and some of them saying we can't it's 1141 00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:37,000 like in dark skies we had two main 1142 00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:38,920 characters who represented the 1143 00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:40,840 polarities one of them was the head of 1144 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:43,420 majestic 12 his position was the people 1145 00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:45,310 can't handle the truth and then we had a 1146 00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:47,080 young guy he was being brought in and 1147 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:49,300 his position was the people have a right 1148 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,670 to know and the the interesting thing 1149 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:53,200 about those two positions is they're 1150 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:55,390 probably both right the people do have a 1151 00:49:59,550 --> 00:49:56,890 right to know and the people can't 1152 00:50:03,480 --> 00:49:59,560 handle the truth you know but I think we 1153 00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:03,490 are entering a world where we are going 1154 00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:05,500 to have to deal with it regardless 1155 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:07,030 whether we can handle it or whether we 1156 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:09,880 can't handle it and just that conclude 1157 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:12,790 this if you go back and and read books 1158 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:14,680 about flying saucers going all the way 1159 00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:19,060 back to Kehoe's books in the 50s he was 1160 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:21,400 always talking about the silence group 1161 00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:25,390 and for him disclosure was always right 1162 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:27,820 around the corner right and now we've 1163 00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:30,010 got Steve Bassett who predicts 1164 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:32,230 disclosure every year whether it happens 1165 00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:33,130 or not 1166 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:35,740 I always say I was telethons a friend of 1167 00:50:39,269 --> 00:50:37,930 mine I always tell him well you keep 1168 00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:39,279 doing that Steve because one of these 1169 00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:41,049 years you're gonna be right yeah and 1170 00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:43,420 he'll say see I told you so but I do 1171 00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:47,529 think that we are in a horizon where I 1172 00:50:53,789 --> 00:50:51,180 think it will happen in my lifetime and 1173 00:50:56,999 --> 00:50:53,799 I'm not as young as I used to be so 1174 00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:57,009 that's a statement I think something 1175 00:51:01,740 --> 00:50:58,690 else people always like to quantify the 1176 00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:01,750 win and I I would never presume to say 1177 00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,549 next year is it but I would look at the 1178 00:51:09,809 --> 00:51:06,640 horizon here's what I think things are 1179 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:09,819 moving fast and let's just put it in a 1180 00:51:14,190 --> 00:51:11,829 real perspective whether you like Donald 1181 00:51:17,029 --> 00:51:14,200 Trump or you hate Donald Trump doesn't 1182 00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:17,039 matter for this one if Donald Trump is 1183 00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:20,440 reelected in 2020 Donald Trump is going 1184 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:23,380 to be the Disclosure president he might 1185 00:51:28,499 --> 00:51:25,690 be even before 2020 although that's 1186 00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:28,509 probably an outside chance but I I don't 1187 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:31,900 see this thing going on much longer than 1188 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:36,910 20 24 25 at the outside so that would 1189 00:51:41,759 --> 00:51:38,980 make whoever our next president is the 1190 00:51:44,009 --> 00:51:41,769 one on the standing on the job when when 1191 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:44,019 it hits you touched on a really good 1192 00:51:49,319 --> 00:51:46,690 point brace it is moving very fast 1193 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,329 everything in our world is moving so 1194 00:51:54,839 --> 00:51:52,480 fast now and with the UFO topic I mean 1195 00:51:57,029 --> 00:51:54,849 some people are impatient when it comes 1196 00:51:59,069 --> 00:51:57,039 to this hole to the Stars Academy and 1197 00:52:01,079 --> 00:51:59,079 what they're doing you know give us give 1198 00:52:02,279 --> 00:52:01,089 us everything give us everything but you 1199 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,289 know sometimes these things take time 1200 00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:05,700 and we have gotten a lot from this 1201 00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,380 specific group that we've gotten videos 1202 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:11,200 that no one ever knew existed we found 1203 00:52:17,339 --> 00:52:14,730 out about a secret Pentagon program so 1204 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:17,349 that makes it I think you're right I'm 1205 00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,230 I'm I try to stay up on this but I don't 1206 00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:22,240 think I quite understand why is there 1207 00:52:27,269 --> 00:52:24,670 this resistance to the to the Stars 1208 00:52:28,799 --> 00:52:27,279 Academy what what's going on there yeah 1209 00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:28,809 the only thing I can in it's very 1210 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:31,299 divisive to be completely honest within 1211 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:33,490 the UFO community bryson you and I both 1212 00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:35,890 know like that's a very small percentage 1213 00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,500 of the population but when it comes down 1214 00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,440 to it it seems to me that a lot of the 1215 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:43,680 older guard let's say of ufology 1216 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:45,850 perceive this group as just 1217 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:48,730 another you know aviary this group that 1218 00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:51,190 we've heard about who who were full of 1219 00:52:56,490 --> 00:52:53,470 government insiders they're former 1220 00:52:58,890 --> 00:52:56,500 former military and they were pumping 1221 00:53:01,620 --> 00:52:58,900 disinformation out to the UFO community 1222 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:01,630 and Beyond about the UFO topic so and 1223 00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:03,930 some of these members of that original 1224 00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:07,600 quote-unquote aviary is our members up 1225 00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:09,820 to the stars so there's there's a 1226 00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:11,860 hesitancy I think from the older guard 1227 00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:15,160 that you know this isn't disclosure this 1228 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:16,900 isn't anything new we've seen this 1229 00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:17,650 before 1230 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:19,660 but for us younger people this is our 1231 00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:22,450 first time experiencing this I I don't 1232 00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:25,060 think I agree with that analysis that 1233 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:27,310 they're making then because these videos 1234 00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:30,250 are not disinformation they may be not 1235 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:32,830 the full video or not the highest 1236 00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:35,680 resolution but I look at them and I say 1237 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:38,320 these are pilots that are actually 1238 00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:41,110 confused by what they're saying and you 1239 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:43,300 know all these stories so I don't know I 1240 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:46,330 mean look I was initially skeptical that 1241 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:48,490 you know wait Tom DeLonge is gonna save 1242 00:53:53,610 --> 00:53:51,010 the world that that struck me as odd and 1243 00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:53,620 and it still does to be honest with you 1244 00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:55,870 and I was frustrated at the beginning 1245 00:54:00,060 --> 00:53:58,390 where part of his plan was hey we're 1246 00:54:02,130 --> 00:54:00,070 gonna make you know movies and 1247 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:02,140 television series and get the truth out 1248 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:04,330 well that's what I said back in you know 1249 00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:07,330 the 90s on dark skies and but the thing 1250 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:09,550 is I was not I I didn't actually know 1251 00:54:15,090 --> 00:54:12,490 the truth so I was just that was part of 1252 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:15,100 the dramatic thing but Tom DeLonge is 1253 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:17,140 actually saying I actually know the 1254 00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:19,270 truth but instead of holding a news 1255 00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:20,740 conference and telling you what the 1256 00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,910 truth is as I know it I'm going to you 1257 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:27,040 know talk around the edges about it and 1258 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:30,070 do a television show or do whatever so I 1259 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:33,010 was actually pleasantly surprised that 1260 00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:35,410 instead of trying to do his secret 1261 00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:37,420 machines as a TV series which he 1262 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:39,070 probably still is trying to do I'm 1263 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:41,410 pleasantly surprised that unidentified 1264 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:45,310 is is not going to be a dramatic series 1265 00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:49,570 but is as a actual series about the 1266 00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:51,940 reality and I hope it's as good as it 1267 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:54,340 could be I'm really praying for it to be 1268 00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,890 successful me too man I mean having seen 1269 00:55:02,010 --> 00:54:59,440 the first episode I was blown away and 1270 00:55:03,809 --> 00:55:02,020 and these you know we we all know first 1271 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:03,819 episodes of shows introduce you to 1272 00:55:08,099 --> 00:55:06,280 everything so basically we've got the 1273 00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,109 New York Times article to the stars 1274 00:55:12,569 --> 00:55:10,720 forming this group this is all stuff us 1275 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:12,579 in the UFO community no and that's what 1276 00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:14,650 the first episode is I will come out and 1277 00:55:19,319 --> 00:55:16,630 say that I won't give away any spoilers 1278 00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:19,329 but it's our introduction to what Tom 1279 00:55:24,539 --> 00:55:21,670 DeLonge is going to be disclosing to us 1280 00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:24,549 so if it's of any indication of that 1281 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,470 first episode I have no doubt we're 1282 00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:28,450 gonna get some new stuff and we're gonna 1283 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:30,670 get some really big bombshells and the 1284 00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:33,520 fact that it's gonna be on the minds of 1285 00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:35,260 people watching The History Channel 1286 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:37,630 they're gonna go talk to their friends 1287 00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:39,730 and their neighbors about it we are 1288 00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:42,849 entering a new age of UFO discourse and 1289 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:45,940 I wish them all the luck I I'm still Pro 1290 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:48,609 to the Stars Academy 1291 00:55:52,109 --> 00:55:50,680 you know I will eat crow if this all 1292 00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:52,119 blows up in our face but I honestly 1293 00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:54,280 don't think it's gonna I think it's a 1294 00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:55,750 new age and like you said a new horizon 1295 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:00,400 so I'm excited I I am too and and the 1296 00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,530 thing is it doesn't have to all be on 1297 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,200 the shoulders of Tom DeLonge or to the 1298 00:56:11,329 --> 00:56:08,500 Stars Academy or Lou Elizondo or or any 1299 00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:11,339 of these people there's a lot of 1300 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,589 disclosing that needs to be done and not 1301 00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:16,720 everybody it doesn't have to come from 1302 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:20,200 one source alone nor will it I think one 1303 00:56:24,329 --> 00:56:22,150 of the other frustrations people have 1304 00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:24,339 felt is Tom in some of his interviews 1305 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:26,440 has said some things where you just say 1306 00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:28,660 whoa stop tell me what you mean by that 1307 00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:32,380 right and and you like I didn't hear him 1308 00:56:36,809 --> 00:56:34,750 say it but I saw it quoted I don't I 1309 00:56:38,730 --> 00:56:36,819 hope this is an accurate quote but he 1310 00:56:40,769 --> 00:56:38,740 was just saying something that somebody 1311 00:56:42,839 --> 00:56:40,779 had told him why they haven't been 1312 00:56:46,829 --> 00:56:42,849 disclosing and he said I couldn't sleep 1313 00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:46,839 for three three days well okay why not I 1314 00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:49,000 want to know what what you got told that 1315 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:51,160 you that you couldn't sleep for three 1316 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:52,930 days that's me that's what I want to 1317 00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:55,089 know now maybe that's the wind-up of 1318 00:56:59,579 --> 00:56:56,500 their show and if that's how they want 1319 00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,589 to unspool it that's fine one of the 1320 00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:01,119 things that I think all of us are a 1321 00:57:06,329 --> 00:57:03,640 little concerned about is we don't know 1322 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:06,339 what's what's really going on we don't 1323 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:10,510 we don't really know and it might be not 1324 00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:13,210 good and that's certainly a possibility 1325 00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,860 might be a mixed bag there might be some 1326 00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:17,200 good and some very bad I don't I don't 1327 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:21,040 really know I just think though we live 1328 00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:23,890 in a time of as you put it rapid change 1329 00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:28,630 and there's just a sense I think out 1330 00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:30,940 there and the zeitgeist that it's time 1331 00:57:36,570 --> 00:57:34,150 to get this one over with and and just 1332 00:57:39,810 --> 00:57:36,580 kind of a concluding thought on that is 1333 00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:39,820 I used to be the chairman CEO of the 1334 00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:41,620 television Academy and when I first got 1335 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:44,140 elected they brought me in and the guy 1336 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:46,870 who was the executive director there 1337 00:57:51,210 --> 00:57:49,570 took me aside and he goes just one thing 1338 00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:51,220 for you to remember and I said okay and 1339 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:53,620 he said all of us together are smarter 1340 00:58:00,540 --> 00:57:56,410 than any one of us you know and I just 1341 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:00,550 think that is so accurate all of us are 1342 00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:03,670 smarter and so now it's time for us to 1343 00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:06,940 prove it and that means that those who 1344 00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,950 are in the know need to tell a little 1345 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:11,200 more and be a little more transparent 1346 00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:13,720 transparency is the thing that's that's 1347 00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:16,260 what I hold us all to transparency 1348 00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,150 absolutely and I really hope we're gonna 1349 00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:21,520 get that within our lifetimes price but 1350 00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:23,230 I got to ask you man what comes next for 1351 00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:25,660 you and your work and where can we find 1352 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:27,940 everything you're up to well I'll tell 1353 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:30,610 you one thing I'm I'm interacting a lot 1354 00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:33,970 on my Twitter feed which is at Hollywood 1355 00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:37,360 UFOs so at Hollywood UFOs is a good 1356 00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,390 place to to sort of pick my brain and 1357 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:42,400 for me to pick yours so I do enjoy that 1358 00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:44,560 I'll tell you one thing from the I've 1359 00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:46,510 got a lot of non UFO things that I'm 1360 00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:49,120 working on but one of the most exciting 1361 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:51,310 that I that I'm working on that is 1362 00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:54,190 ufo-related is the book ad after 1363 00:59:00,330 --> 00:58:57,400 disclosure which was written by Richard 1364 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:00,340 Dolan and myself is being developed as a 1365 00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,770 television series with myself 1366 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:04,720 and Brent Freedman who was my partner on 1367 00:59:09,330 --> 00:59:07,450 dark skies so if that means anything to 1368 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:09,340 anybody you're getting it all put 1369 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:11,650 together into one little package and I'm 1370 00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:14,170 very excited by what Brent and I are 1371 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:15,820 coming up with we hope to be out on the 1372 00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:19,090 market with it very soon because I do 1373 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:22,270 think it's time for us to pivot from 1374 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:25,030 thinking about the cover-up I mean all 1375 00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:27,240 all stuff that you see 1376 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:30,190 historically has been oh well people who 1377 00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:31,870 know the truth aren't telling us the 1378 00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:34,360 truth and I have to go get the truth and 1379 00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:36,190 and then you get the truth but you can't 1380 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:38,830 keep it or tell it I want to tell a 1381 00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:40,930 different story I want to tell the story 1382 00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,440 about that starts with a d-day one you 1383 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:46,960 know from the moment where basically 1384 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:50,290 everybody on the planet goes oh wow 1385 00:59:55,650 --> 00:59:53,530 so this stuff's real I want to tell that 1386 00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:55,660 story and so Brent and I have worked 1387 00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:57,730 very hard to try to find a credible way 1388 01:00:01,830 --> 00:59:59,530 and to do that so that's what we're 1389 01:00:03,630 --> 01:00:01,840 working on now and I and of course these 1390 01:00:06,030 --> 01:00:03,640 are the two feature films that we talked 1391 01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:06,040 about earlier take up a lot of time 1392 01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:07,870 because you know what it's just not easy 1393 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:10,270 to sell anything I mean I don't care 1394 01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:11,620 what you're trying to sell whether it's 1395 01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:13,840 movies or television series or shoes 1396 01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:15,820 you know you still got to get somebody 1397 01:00:21,150 --> 01:00:18,460 who has money to give you the money to 1398 01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:21,160 do what you want to do so it's it's 1399 01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:24,910 never easy but just to go back to our 1400 01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:27,790 friend Stanton Friedman as we as we 1401 01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:30,310 think about him you just never give up 1402 01:00:37,770 --> 01:00:34,510 you just keep moving forward and and I I 1403 01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,780 look forward to a time very soon where 1404 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:40,240 we get done with talking about the 1405 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:40,870 cover-up 1406 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,450 and we get started on talking about the 1407 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:47,200 phenomenon that's I love that brace what 1408 01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,570 comes next that's what we should all be 1409 01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:51,040 looking forward to and you know that 1410 01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:52,990 we're all in your corner when it comes 1411 01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:54,700 to this so I got to thank you for coming 1412 01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:56,980 on again thank you for taking the time 1413 01:01:01,350 --> 01:00:59,050 to reflect on how Stanton Friedman lived 1414 01:01:03,810 --> 01:01:01,360 and we can only hope he's you know now 1415 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:03,820 finding those answers were all searching 1416 01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:06,610 for us so thank you so much Brice my 1417 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:07,180 pleasure 1418 01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:09,850 watch the skies and we'll we'll talk to 1419 01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:12,700 you again that's it for this week's 1420 01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,950 episode again my special thanks to Bryce 1421 01:01:19,950 --> 01:01:16,960 save all for coming again you could 1422 01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,960 follow him on twitter at bryce able to 1423 01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:21,520 keep up to date with all his work 1424 01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:23,620 speaking of which Bryce and I had a 1425 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